Yes the organisation was like a cat chasing its prey, one guilt trip after another. We were made to feel like worthless little insects. Now I have left I feel as free as a bird, flying over the Himalayas.
The Rebel
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Who of us has ever thought, 'What's the point? I'm going to die anyway'
by Funchback inwhen i truly believed the jws had the truth, i usually reverted back to 'what's the point?
i'm going to die anyway' as a way to justify for doing so-called bad things or not doing so-called good things in jw land.. i shouldn't be watching this r-rated movie.
(why stop?
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Many of the atheists are doing better than religionists!
by anointed1 ini got up today to listen to the shocking news that russia’s ambassador to turkey was assassinated at an ankara art exhibit, and assassin was acting in the name of god.. it seems things have evolved to the other extreme that atheists are doing the work of religionists and vice versa.
while religionists take delight in killing fellow humans in the name of god, there were many atheists who followed very elevated morality.
the french existentialists and writers jean-paul sartre and albert camus were some of them.
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The Rebel
anointed1, I was aware we agreed.
Slightly off-topic but I think the reason atheists often behave better than religionists is that truth doesn't bother itself with events that might happen, or events that could have happened, only the events that actually have happened. This is why as cult members they are not in the news for doing good works, and their benefit to the community zero. Whilst ahiests, and of course some churches are actively involved in making the community a better place today.
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Many of the atheists are doing better than religionists!
by anointed1 ini got up today to listen to the shocking news that russia’s ambassador to turkey was assassinated at an ankara art exhibit, and assassin was acting in the name of god.. it seems things have evolved to the other extreme that atheists are doing the work of religionists and vice versa.
while religionists take delight in killing fellow humans in the name of god, there were many atheists who followed very elevated morality.
the french existentialists and writers jean-paul sartre and albert camus were some of them.
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The Rebel
Anointed1, " A person who does not believe in God has no obligation to care for anyone..."
I would answer a person who does not believe in God, may however have a strong belief in humanity, and thus an obligation to care for that humanity, it's people, it's animals, and it's environment. Too loose ones faith in God is a separate issue to loosing ones humanity. The progressive loss of my faith in God, and Jehovers Organisation, I believe has made me a more compassionate, tolerant and humane person.
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Many of the atheists are doing better than religionists!
by anointed1 ini got up today to listen to the shocking news that russia’s ambassador to turkey was assassinated at an ankara art exhibit, and assassin was acting in the name of god.. it seems things have evolved to the other extreme that atheists are doing the work of religionists and vice versa.
while religionists take delight in killing fellow humans in the name of god, there were many atheists who followed very elevated morality.
the french existentialists and writers jean-paul sartre and albert camus were some of them.
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The Rebel
anointed1.
A) Did the Buddha engage in speculative discussion about God?
B) Would you not agree that many Buddhists simply say that the existence of God is not proven and not relevant to their core Buddhist principals anyway?
C) Would you agree a Buddhist can believe in God if it agrees with their own reason and common sense?
Personally I think it a broad sweeping statement to say all Buddhists don't believe in God, and a little arrogant to assume a particular brand of buddisam has all the answers. Hello thats what we once thought with our brand of Christianity, that we were in the " truth" .and had all the answers. Confucius.
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Poor people are sub-human?
by Alostpuppydog inhas anyone noticed how many jw's really seem to be rollin in it?
escpecially the elders, and they treat their subordinates like filthy gum on the bottom of their shoe?
just wondering because i too am poorer than poor and have spent a fourth of my life homeless already and i am 22.. another thing to consider is why domost of the population on this planet seem to hate the poor, even though we outnumber the middle class and the rich greatly?
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I believe in "personal accountability" and I THANK the nurses, also the people that clean my bins, and make a wonderful contribution to my life. The poor under paid people who contribute to our society often do so because they appreciate their contribution. Why should a nurse who cleans bed pans and cares about her patients, have to struggle to survive on a crappy pay check?
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Poor people are sub-human?
by Alostpuppydog inhas anyone noticed how many jw's really seem to be rollin in it?
escpecially the elders, and they treat their subordinates like filthy gum on the bottom of their shoe?
just wondering because i too am poorer than poor and have spent a fourth of my life homeless already and i am 22.. another thing to consider is why domost of the population on this planet seem to hate the poor, even though we outnumber the middle class and the rich greatly?
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DJS, I think that what also results in "The de-evolution of our spices" is You-tube, Twitter & Facebook, or should I say " You" "Twit " "Face" :-)
Does anyone agree that social media has created a sub-human culture, where we need a thousand friends, and then the need to inform people we haven't met in 20 years that our flight has been delayed 20 minutes. I think such technology and websites have created a "sub-human" who thinks he is more important than he is.
My point is we have different types of poverty, and often our ego contributes to our personal inner poverty.
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Poor people are sub-human?
by Alostpuppydog inhas anyone noticed how many jw's really seem to be rollin in it?
escpecially the elders, and they treat their subordinates like filthy gum on the bottom of their shoe?
just wondering because i too am poorer than poor and have spent a fourth of my life homeless already and i am 22.. another thing to consider is why domost of the population on this planet seem to hate the poor, even though we outnumber the middle class and the rich greatly?
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DJS " Do you really want me to continue"
Yes please, well maybe, O.K then NO.
Whilst I agree with your statement " personal accountability is the strongest force in the universe" I also think it's wrong to say getting knocked up as a teen was stupid. Selfish YES, stupid NO. Because many teenagers in England got knocked up because it was good business, and required no education, but entitled the person to free housing and benefits . I blame the government for being so stupid to allow teenagers to simply get knocked up, and be set up for life. That's the pathetic point. Where was the responsible accountable behavior from the government that didn't prevent this happening? Please note governments, its my taxes that pay for your mismanagement.
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Many of the atheists are doing better than religionists!
by anointed1 ini got up today to listen to the shocking news that russia’s ambassador to turkey was assassinated at an ankara art exhibit, and assassin was acting in the name of god.. it seems things have evolved to the other extreme that atheists are doing the work of religionists and vice versa.
while religionists take delight in killing fellow humans in the name of god, there were many atheists who followed very elevated morality.
the french existentialists and writers jean-paul sartre and albert camus were some of them.
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anointed1, you say Gautama Buddha, " never believed in any God or supernatural power" I am not sure this is true, to my understanding the Buddha and his teachings were simply to learn to live in this life, and dont concern yourself with discussing mattters if they will cause contention and can't be answered.
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Poor people are sub-human?
by Alostpuppydog inhas anyone noticed how many jw's really seem to be rollin in it?
escpecially the elders, and they treat their subordinates like filthy gum on the bottom of their shoe?
just wondering because i too am poorer than poor and have spent a fourth of my life homeless already and i am 22.. another thing to consider is why domost of the population on this planet seem to hate the poor, even though we outnumber the middle class and the rich greatly?
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The Rebel
Personally I have found I am happiest when I live largely on little. In my opinion health is wealth, the air I breath is free. Growing up I also noted the families who lived in the council areas ( government assisted accomadation) seemed to bring up better adjusted children than many of the more affluent families. ( Reliouse nutters excluded) Maybe it was because I noted the parents did things for fun with their children.
As a family I never attended a football match with my dad, nor did we ever spend valuable time doing things as friends. I learnt from this and the quality time I have spent with my child has been my most treasured wealth.
Materaliam is great but we must remember every thing we posses, possesses apart of us. In my opinion true happiness comes from being passionate about things. My wife wanted a family holiday to the West Coast of America this year, I managed to put this off to next year as I convinced my wife, that simply spending days at home and weekend excursions would be a more pleasurable holiday. My theory was our son Orlando would appreciate America next year but this year it would have bored him, as he would miss his friends, Pokémon,and thus also take away our enjoyment away from the holiday.
80% of wealth in England is inherited. So many poor people are those without an inheritance.This is why I purchased property young, and have invested in buying property to rent out.
My final thought on the matter is that my moderate financial wealth came about because I grew up in London England. Had I lived in less affluent parts of England I would be less well off as my wealth (as is most people's) is tied up in property. Having a mortgage paid off, makes for a very pleasant life. Anyone reading this thread take my advice, never live in rental accomadation if you have the opportunity to obtain a mortgage. But most importantly always appreciate true wealth is not tied up in materaliam,but in how we think, and how we appreciate heath, the air we breath, and the life we live.
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A beautiful memory almost ruined.
by The Rebel inwith my wife, and son we went to an elton john concert in november.
the experience was almost ruined by a security guard saying my son was to young to attend the concert, but we simply joined a different entry point and luckily sneaked him in, by orlando hiding behind my wife as we presented the tickets.. my after thoughts observations are:-.
a) i purchased the tickets months before and to my knowledge no age of entry was mentioned.. b) so sad my boy could at 11 years old be denied an opportunity to miss seeing a world superstar ( at 67 elton can't perform much longer).
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Thanks for the replies.
Please note the positive in my O.P, was that Orlando did attend the concert. But only because we had the initiative to get in another queue, in which entry wasn't denied.
The lesson is it pays to question authority, particularly if the person with authority, has no authority and simply gets pleasure being a p....k.
p.s Funchback, I saw Elton in Sweden, I think maybe kids are not allowed in a Swedish concert, even if accompanied with an adult.